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Roy and I were JUST talking about this the other night.

Here's my take. Wrestling has always been trashy in that its most devoted fans have tended, more often than not, to be seemingly poor white people. And, it's a fake sport, so there's always going to be those that poo poo it for it's lack of legitimacy and feel that you have to be dumb to be fan of something like that. People who say things like that are idiots and miss the point completely, but they also perpetuate the idea that wrestling is something that Skeeter and Jasper are really into because they think it's real. Anyway, that's a whole 'nother point.

Wrestling in the 80's was low brow, but it clearly wasn't trashy in the way that it is now. If I had a kid, I wouldn't let him watch wrestling now. I'd gladly let him watch my tapes of the old stuff. There is a HUGE difference between the two. There weren't huge breasted women all over the place. There wasn't bleeped out swearing, and the storylines, although the backbone of the whole concept, always took a backseat to the actual wrestling. I don't have a problem with boobs and swearing, but it's just too easy. It's the lowest common denominator and appeals to people who don't care to think.

Old wrestling is trashy if you look back at it through present day eyes, mostly because of midget wrestling and the thinly veiled racial stereotypes that are cringe-worthy now. But the female wrestlers were actual wrestlers. And the dudes were wrestling for the title, not because one of 'em banged the other guy's skank.

I could go on.

Stone Cold is to blame.

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I gotta say, I think it was probably just about as white-trashy then as it is now. Actually, scratch that. I don't think it was quite as trashy as it is now. Weren't there some "scandals" that surfaced after it had been around for a while about how it was scripted? Some people didn't know that it was scripted and there was a bit of a backlash? Something like that?

I certainly in my 12-year-old-ness didn't know it was scripted until I was well into middle school.

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Nice. I was complaining to the wife the other day that wrestling nowadays is so unbelievably white trash. She said that it was white trash in the 80's. Thoughts? I know it was still trashy back then, but c'mon. Am I this naive?

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Groundbreaking News Report About Wrestling!



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I think you're right about the Rockers vid.

I haven't found it yet, but I did put up a few new promo videos on YouTube last night.

Some choice words from the Brain Busters.

Check 'em.

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RIP to the Fabulous One herself. Moolah is and was awesome.

As for that Rockers vid, it's close but I swear there is an in studio one that is much better. Their interviews are hilarious. They both always seem very "hopped up on goofballs."

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The Fabulous Moolah, dead at 84.

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Biff, check out this vid on YouTube. Think it's the Rockers one we were looking for. Won't let me embed it here. And it's terrible quality. Eh.

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Wow. That gave me a really good chuckle. "They Live" has got to be one of the greatest films of all time.

One of my fave Pip Skid lines in which he is rapping about really hating someone:
"Re-enact all 8 minutes of the fight scene in They Live."

Genius. Of all the old school wrestlers gone movie stars I always thought Roddy was the best. Even better than Ventura.

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All I'm getting is one of those little question mark things...

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I think I saw a bumper sticker on a car one time that said "I heart murder-suicide." So I'm pretty sure that person was into it.

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This is my favorite quote from the article:

"The wrestler's father, Michael Benoit, said Wednesday he agreed to the testing of his son's brain because murder-suicide was so out of character."

Out of character? I would hope so. Is murder-suicide in anyone's character? I love how they think that science will somehow discover why a guy decided to kill his wife and kid and then himself. Its the roids! No its the painkillers! No its the concussions! No its the stress! Can't it be a little bit of everything. Obviously the guy was not right in the head and the roid/painkiller speedballs he was taking couldn't have helped. Sheesh.

Out of character. Ludicrous. Like some article would say "Well I didn't have an autopsy done because really murder-suicide was not that big of a surprise coming from Daryl. When the cops called me I was like 'no surprise here officer! Saw it coming from a mile away!"

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Benoit Brain Damage May Have Contributed To Family Killings

So, they tested his brain and found damage that may explain why he killed his family.

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Yeah, I may have these moral thingys, but I'm not above poop-fart-sex humor by any stretch of the imvaginiation.

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Nice one.

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More like "orals"

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It is too soon. And I secretly laughed. Inside. Damn you EA, and your "morals."

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I've really been trying to take a more genteel approach to tragedies of this nature so whereas as I don't really give much of a hoot about professional wrestling, before I may have laughed pretty hard at this, it kinda bums me out thinking about the humans behind the story.

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Too soon?

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got it

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i'll be mad if you don't... but pronounce it like ang lee to be hip.

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Wockenfuss wrote:

She also gives amateur porn a bad name. Eh, EA would probably hit it.





Hit which? Her or her porn? Considering I really don't know who you are talking about I can't speak authoritatively, but I would have to imagine I would easily be able to not "hit it".

Thanks Ang. Can I call you "Ang"?

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kudos to the "he snapped like a slim jim" . very nice.

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Count it! Found this while reading up and found it extremely sad.

"Former WCW World Heavyweight Champion Lex Luger was interviewed by the Atlanta Journal Constitution regarding the Benoit family tragedy and explains the public fascination with professional wrestling. "People like to see freaks. It's like live cartoon characters," he said. Luger talks about blowing millions of dollars and ending up flat broke at age 49, but counts his blessings for still being alive. While in prison, he met a pastor who counseled him and later took him into his home. Luger currently lives in a spare bedroom at the pastor's residence."

That just hurts.

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She also gives amateur porn a bad name. Eh, EA would probably hit it.

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I thought that was super creepy when they didn't know who it was. This whole thing is crazy. Also Chyna needs to quit getting interviewed on TV. She gives pro wrestling an even worse name.

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jerk is somehow right

An anonymous user with the same IP address as the person who edited pro wrestler Chris Benoit's Wikipedia entry to report his wife's death -- hours before authorities discovered the bodies of the couple and their 7-year-old son -- confessed early Friday on an online discussion page attached to the Web site, saying the changes were based on rumors and speculation, not hard evidence.

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Wikipedia now an oracle

"Benoit's Wikipedia entry foretold wife's death before killing.

A Wikipedia official, Cary Bass, said Thursday that the entry was made by someone using an Internet protocol address registered in Stamford, Conn., where World Wrestling Entertainment is based.

WWE employees are given WWE e-mail addresses, McDevitt said, though he did not know whether Chris Benoit had one."

Sounds like he edited his own Wikipedia entry before he hanged himself. Dude was not in a good place.


If I may get tangential here, assuming it was Benoit that edited the entry, I don't see how Wikipedia "foretold" of the killing. And if there is extra foul play involved here, the person who edited the Wiki-entry knew what happened. It's not like Wiki is now some sort of internet-Ouija board.

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-- Edited by EA Sports at 01:36, 2007-06-29

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And he snapped like a slim jim.

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Maybe he was tired of people pronouncing his name Ben-oyt.

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Not necessarily. I can agree that it wasn't all down to the roids, but then again, what pushes a man over the edge like that?

From the accounts I've read there were problems in the marriage with the disabled son, so I would posit that yeah there were problems but it took an outside influence to push a man to commit double homicide and then suicide.

-- Edited by EA Sports at 08:07, 2007-06-28

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I agree with the "'roid rage" comments. This has nothing to do with that. This wasn't him going too far and beating some guy to death in a bar fight. This was weird, calculated killings of his loved ones. He clearly was having some serious problems.

Anyway, it's too bad he had to kill his kid to deal with it.

And still no real word on how Sherri died, huh?

I think Vince McMahon is going to be on the Today show tomorrow. I'm sure he'll come clean and make some sense of it all.

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Oh my goodness. This has been a rough one for me. You know, I never really gave up on wrestling 'til like '98. I loved Benoit back in the day in WCW. He was a Horseman and was just all around awesome. They called him "The Canadian Crippler." I even had a Blaow song entitled "Power Bomb" where all I did was sing wrestlers' names and his name was one of the choruses (chorii?). That song was like 6 minutes by the way. God, I am rad. Anyhoo, he was like the last of the old school style guys that came out around at that time. He didn't even have a gimmick. He was just a badass wrestler. His idol was Dynamite Kid, I mean what a stallion.

So the weird thing is that his real life wife was Woman, who was a valet in wrestling for YEARS. She had been married to Kevin Sullivan who is super old school and they had a storyline in like '97 where she left him for Benoit. Sullivan and Benoit feuded like all year. So apparently that was based on real life is both bizarre and kind of sad. I did not see this one coming at all. Not to be terrible but there are some wrestlers out there where if this happened I would be only 3/4 surprised, you know? But I had never read anything bad about Benoit. It's just sad.

I think this whole "is it Roid Rage or isn't it" thing in the media is kind of pointless. I mean, isn't that taking away the responsibility from him for his actions? Maybe dude just had some mental issues. I am sure the roids didn't help but I mean what the crap? The whole thing is so sad and bizarre that it couldn't be just simply roids.

I came home from work today and someone was interviewing Bret Hart on one of those news channels. Hart and Benoit were friends going way way back. Hart sounded super depressed. Can anything else happen to this poor bastard? A little off topic but jeezus. Davey Boy dies, Owen freakishly dies and now his old mate? It's just depressing.

That's my 95 cents.

RIP Sensational Sherri Martel by the way. One of my all time favorites.

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I had seen that news story and thought about dropping the bomb on you fans, but I wouldn't have known what to say.

I just saw another story that cops think it might have been 'roid rage.

Shame about the whole thing.

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And under less than ideal circumstances, as usual.

I think I had cashed out on wrestling by the time Benoit was a star, but I recognize him and know the name for sure.

Said they found him hanging in his weight room. Sounds about right.

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